@Taurus717 TCS is using the 101 numbering series for the former NS1700 type loco's. And on the side they added the number 103002 (or at least on this one). There is quite a few series where the (UIC) NVR number and generally used number don't match up. But whichever number you guys want to use is up to the website's administrators. However, wouldn't it be confusing if TCS ever bought a 101 00X?
@Taurus717 Irrelevant. The number the operator uses is 103002. Just like they use 102001 for the 91 84 1570 835-6 (1835), and 101001 for the 91 84 1560 781-4 (1781).
If you want to base every single loco number on the UIC and not the operating number; good luck with all classes below; RRF V100 VRR V100 IRP G1206 IRP G2000 Lineas G1206 RTBC G1206 CTB G1206 RRF 4400 LBL 9900 RRF G2000 ...and many more
@ddz7504@stefan dear Steven, dear Stefan, Here on trainspo we try to make the data more clear for everyone. We focus a lot on the UIC-numbering because in the most european countries, it is the same numbering used by the owner, and it is also the number that must be written on the unit by law. I am well aware that in other countries like the netherlands and sweden for example the NVR does not match up with the numbering of the railway operator. We are dealing here with a locomotive that was numbered in such a way for a long time, and when we now "invent" a new numbering system for every new private operator, we will loose track of the real number of the locomotive itself. Another perspective is the one of the users here, for example a not experienced trainspotter catches this unit and is looking for it in our database. There is no numbering on the front, but he knows that this is a DB 101 class, so the first thing he is trying to look for is for a private owned class 101 locomotive. In every german spoken country, a 103 is this locomotive. So the indication TCS 103 is a bit of misleading. I must admit that this is a really bad choise of the operator But this is just a personal opinion, based on my experience. We could talk about it in the specific topic in the community section, in order to not "pollute" that nice picture of stefan's.
@Taurus717 I understand your point, that's why I don't care that much which number is used for the website. Although I have mixed feelings regarding either option. The UIC NVR numbering is used differently in so many countries.
Look at countries like Poland, which there's the national railway numbering, the design numbering and UIC numbering which can be all 3 on the very wrong of a loco or unit. And for a loco this is quite easy, but a unit with several cars can have quite a few UIC numbers on the consist. The PKP numbering is rather smart, the design numbering is taking over and still a rather nice way to number things over there. However the UIC NVR numbering is just a mess out there. And if you look at the Class 66's used in Belgium, The Netherlands and German it's a mess. Even on the website here. There's 266 ***, 077 ***, DE6***, 5**-**, V***, 66**, PB** and possible even other number formats. There may be an easier UIC number, but the number given by the operator or lease company is usually the clearest to most people. Especially beginners. Although this of course is different among countries. But something that keeps popping up in my mind: who are we to decide how an operator should name their loco?
But I think the website is very well designed to prevent confusion. The model page lists the careers of these loco's quite nicely. Also when looking at the type page individual operator a nice line like "TCS 103 1435 Bo'Bo' AC Electric locomotive from DB 101 series" really does a lot to the potential confusion. I think the website's design creates a certain clearness in the mess created by people involved in the railway business. Just maybe an additional to the photo pages might be in order. But I'll post a suggestion for a website improvement on the forum later today.
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(exact times may change depending on certain days)
Fridays:
DZ 26470
* starts at Muenster (Westf) Hbf when no booked passengers starting at Rheine
09:13 Rheine
09:39-09:43 Muenster (Westf) Hbf
10:10-10:12 Hamm (Westf) Hbf
10:34-10:39 Dortmund Hbf
10:52-11:06 Bochum Hbf
11:25-11:28 Essen Hbf
11:39-11:41 Duisburg Hbf
11:54-11:56 Duesseldorf Hbf
12:10-12:11 Levenkusen Mitte
12:23-12:26 Koeln Hbf
14:49 Wittlich Hbf
* ends at Koblenz Hbf on certain days
Sundays:
DZ 26471
* starts at Wittlich Hbf / Hetzerath on some days
14:33 Koblenz Hbf
15:52-15:55 Koeln Hbf
16:11-16:32 Levenkusen Mitte
16:47-16:55 Duesseldorf Hbf
17:13-17:17 Duisburg Hbf
17:29-17:32 Essen Hbf
17:42-17:44 Bochum Hbf
17:57-18:01 Dortmund Hbf
18:36-18:38 Hamm (Westf) Hbf
19:10-19:12 Muenster (Westf) Hbf
19:34 Rheine
* ends at Muenster (Westf) Hbf if there is no passenger for Rheine
If you want to base every single loco number on the UIC and not the operating number; good luck with all classes below;
RRF V100
VRR V100
IRP G1206
IRP G2000
Lineas G1206
RTBC G1206
CTB G1206
RRF 4400
LBL 9900
RRF G2000
...and many more
See where I'm going?
Here on trainspo we try to make the data more clear for everyone. We focus a lot on the UIC-numbering because in the most european countries, it is the same numbering used by the owner, and it is also the number that must be written on the unit by law. I am well aware that in other countries like the netherlands and sweden for example the NVR does not match up with the numbering of the railway operator. We are dealing here with a locomotive that was numbered in such a way for a long time, and when we now "invent" a new numbering system for every new private operator, we will loose track of the real number of the locomotive itself.
Another perspective is the one of the users here, for example a not experienced trainspotter catches this unit and is looking for it in our database. There is no numbering on the front, but he knows that this is a DB 101 class, so the first thing he is trying to look for is for a private owned class 101 locomotive. In every german spoken country, a 103 is this locomotive. So the indication TCS 103 is a bit of misleading. I must admit that this is a really bad choise of the operator
But this is just a personal opinion, based on my experience. We could talk about it in the specific topic in the community section, in order to not "pollute" that nice picture of stefan's.
Look at countries like Poland, which there's the national railway numbering, the design numbering and UIC numbering which can be all 3 on the very wrong of a loco or unit. And for a loco this is quite easy, but a unit with several cars can have quite a few UIC numbers on the consist. The PKP numbering is rather smart, the design numbering is taking over and still a rather nice way to number things over there. However the UIC NVR numbering is just a mess out there.
And if you look at the Class 66's used in Belgium, The Netherlands and German it's a mess. Even on the website here. There's 266 ***, 077 ***, DE6***, 5**-**, V***, 66**, PB** and possible even other number formats. There may be an easier UIC number, but the number given by the operator or lease company is usually the clearest to most people. Especially beginners. Although this of course is different among countries. But something that keeps popping up in my mind: who are we to decide how an operator should name their loco?
But I think the website is very well designed to prevent confusion. The model page lists the careers of these loco's quite nicely. Also when looking at the type page individual operator a nice line like "TCS 103 1435 Bo'Bo' AC Electric locomotive from DB 101 series" really does a lot to the potential confusion. I think the website's design creates a certain clearness in the mess created by people involved in the railway business. Just maybe an additional to the photo pages might be in order. But I'll post a suggestion for a website improvement on the forum later today.